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cucire il PVC/ecopelle
sto aiutando una mia amica per un cosplay, deve realizzare una tuta aderente in ecopelle/PVC, io non ho mai cucito questo materiale e quindi non so come consigliarla, i miei questiti sono questi:
-per cucire a macchina il PVC/ecopelle (parliamo di un materiale abbastanza sottile e con una leggere elasticità) che ago si usa? quale tipo di filo è meglio utilizzare?
inoltre ho anche un'altra domanda, sui lati del body ci sono degli intarsi, è meglio utilizzare un rinforzo adesivo?? di che tipo è meglio utilizzarlo per non perdere l'elasticità del materiale?
-per cucire a macchina il PVC/ecopelle (parliamo di un materiale abbastanza sottile e con una leggere elasticità) che ago si usa? quale tipo di filo è meglio utilizzare?
inoltre ho anche un'altra domanda, sui lati del body ci sono degli intarsi, è meglio utilizzare un rinforzo adesivo?? di che tipo è meglio utilizzarlo per non perdere l'elasticità del materiale?
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Per quanto riguarda gli aghi esistono quelli appositi per la pelle, cuci bene e non rischi di rompere l'ago (lo so perchè ho cucito una tuta di pelle nera per il cosplay da x men e ho imbottito e trapuntato la pelle per un cosplay da Darth Vader per il quale ho sudato sangue). Io ho usato il filo sintetico normale che trovi in merceria.
Che tipo di intarsi devi fare? Forse più che un rinforzo adesivo sarebbe meglio rinforzarlo con la stessa stoffa...
Che tipo di intarsi devi fare? Forse più che un rinforzo adesivo sarebbe meglio rinforzarlo con la stessa stoffa...
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Per l'ecopelle avevo usato l'ago da pelle (a sezione triangolare), ce ne sono di varie misure a seconda dello spessore che devi cucire, e il piedino in teflon, che fa scorrere bene l'ecopelle senza che questa si appiccichi al piedino stesso.
Quanto al filo, io userei quello in poliestere (che peraltro già uso su tutti i tessuti).
Fai attenzione quando cuci: se ti capita di dover scucire resteranno i buchini della cucitura precedente...
Quanto al filo, io userei quello in poliestere (che peraltro già uso su tutti i tessuti).
Fai attenzione quando cuci: se ti capita di dover scucire resteranno i buchini della cucitura precedente...
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solito per il PVC-ecopelle si usano gli aghi per la pelle se è un po' duretto cosi' passa meglio, mentre come filato direi che il poliestere come nella maglina dovrebbe essere resistente e piu' elastico del cotone. Usa il piedino apposito antiaderente in teflon perchè ti fa scorrere meglio il pvc sotto. Per gli intarsi lascio la parola alle esperte... dico solo la mia .. potresti mettere sotto la rete come quella che usa mimmina per i vestiti di pattinaggio ossia l'effetto nudo e poi attaccare con un piccolo zig zag in tinta con la pelle i bordi dell'intarsio al nudo.. cosi' garantisci l'elasticità degli spazi vuoti e dai un piccolo sostegno che tenga ben attaccato al corpo. nadia
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Che tipo di intarsi devi fare? Forse più che un rinforzo adesivo sarebbe meglio rinforzarlo con la stessa stoffa...
Ale_padme: sono intarsi che formano un disegno ed alcuni sono vicini l'uno all'altro.
potresti mettere sotto la rete come quella che usa mimmina per i vestiti di pattinaggio ossia l'effetto nudo e poi attaccare con un piccolo zig zag in tinta con la pelle i bordi dell'intarsio al nudo.. cosi' garantisci l'elasticità degli spazi vuoti e dai un piccolo sostegno che tenga ben attaccato al corpo
Akela: molto utile come consiglio, lo riferirò alla mia amica per un prossimo cosplay, purtroppo non si addice a questo costume, perchè il personaggio non è umano
che lunghezza di punto consigliate?? e il filo della spoletta va lasciato molle e tirato?
ringrazio tutte quante per i consigli, credo che comprerò il piedino in teflon, così posso cucire le cose in ecopelle .... tipo mini-jeans per le dollone da collezione ... o una giacca per me
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Fai punti piuttosto lunghi, con i punti corti avresti una serie di buchini ravvicinati che indebolirebbe il tessuto
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Arrivo anch'io con un suggerimento... magari scontato (nel caso, scusami), ma non si sa mai: ovviamente NON potrai imbastire, perche' senno' ti rimarranno i buchini dell'imbastitura! Se vuoi imbastire, devi usare lo scotch!
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Ciao a me è capitato di cucire dell'ecopelle e in effetti mi ha molto aiutato il piedino apposito in teflon, ho visto la differneza cucendo prima senza e poi con. Ottimo il consiglio di non fare i punti troppo ravvicinati. Per l'go allora avevo usato quello normale mi pare 90 perchè avevo fatto le cuciture con filo più doppio. Auguri!
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sere ha scritto:Arrivo anch'io con un suggerimento... magari scontato (nel caso, scusami), ma non si sa mai: ovviamente NON potrai imbastire, perche' senno' ti rimarranno i buchini dell'imbastitura! Se vuoi imbastire, devi usare lo scotch!
grazie Sere, io non lo mai cucita, la mia amica è un po' più pratica perchè si era cucita tutto a mano un bustino in PVC
Grazie Deb, quindi anche il 90 va bene.
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...e se "imbastisci" con lo scotch, fa' in modo che la cucitura non ci monti sopra: sporcheresti l'ago di colla e impazziresti per togliere i residui di scotch...
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3lysa ha scritto:Grazie Deb, quindi anche il 90 va bene.
Pero' l'ago specifico per la pelle ha una sezione diversa da quella di un ago normale, se trovi l'ago apposta secondo me e' meglio!
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cercando nel pozzo, ho trovato queste indicazioni (in english):
Professional designers recommend allowing stretchy fabrics to settle on your cutting surface for 24 hours before tracing and cutting. Hold pattern pieces in place with fabric weights, and trace lines with tailor’s chalk or disappearing ink fabric marking pens. Water-soluble fabric marking pens may be used if the instructions say it can be washed out in cold water. Never use a tracing wheel, tailor tacks, or thread tracing, as these methods will leave puncture marks in the finished article. Cut fabric with sharp scissors, stopping occasionally to allow fabric to settle back into place. Pinning
Pinholes are permanent in vinyls and all leather-like fabrics. For best results on seams, use double-faced basting tape instead. Apply tape within the seam allowance, at the cut edge of fabric. Basting tape sticks easily to PVC with the lightest touch and keeps the fabric from curling or stretching as you sew. It can be removed cleanly by peeling, or simply cut away after stitching when the seam allowance is graded. If you must pin, use extra-fine dressmaker pins well within the seam allowance, and always use a thimble. Although PVC is a medium-weight fabric, pushing pins through the fine knit and vinyl coating requires a firm steady push. Choosing appropriate needles and thread
Although PVC is backed in a knit, you should not use a ball point needle, because it will tear ugly holes in the Polyurethane. Instead, use a sharp size 11 in your machine for seam construction and topstitching. Use a “leather” needle to baste in zippers. Leather needles are heavyweight needles designed with a razor tip to cut through leather and leather-like fabrics that resist normal needle piercing. This makes them a terrific choice for machine sewing through both PVC and zipper tape in a single line of stitching. The special groove down the front of the needle protects the thread against breakage due to from friction as the needle slips into the thick fabric layers. If you will hand sew, then use a # 7, 8, or 9 Sharp needle. Again, use a thimble to push pins into PVC.
Because PVC stretches, the thread it is sewn with must stretch also. Polyester has the best give when twisted into thread. 100% Polyester thread is recommended for normal seam construction, but all-purpose thread that contains at least 60% polyester will suffice and is often easier to find in stores. Do not use all-cotton thread. It is a common misconception that since cotton thread is stronger it will support stretchy knits. Cotton thread is “strong” because it does NOT stretch, and, in fact, may shrink when washed to leave puckered seams in non-cotton fabrics.
PVC’s rubbery texture tends to stick to metal throat plates and presser feet, making it difficult to guide the fabric through your sewing machine—that is, unless you utilize the techniques provided below.
Technique #1: Apply water-soluble stabilizer before stitching. Machine embroiderers will be familiar with this handy sewing aid. Usually sold in packages in the notions department, water-soluble stabilizer comes in both sheets and rolls, and has the feel of a featherweight interfacing. The package instructions will direct you to apply the stabilizer with a hot dry iron, but obviously this is inappropriate for PVC. Instead, wipe the vinyl side of the fabric with a damp (not wet!) sponge and press 3-inch-wide strips of stabilizer to the seamline with your fingers. Allow to air-dry completely before sewing. The result will be a lightly-tacked interfacing surface, which will glide smoothly over your machine’s metal parts. When stitching is complete, wipe stabilizer off with a sponge soaked in cold water—or simply throw your finished product in a cold water wash and hang to dry. This technique is preferable for sewing that requires a piping/cording foot, since piping feet are rarely made in Teflon.
Technique #2: Lay PVC atop tear-away stabilizer and stitch with a Teflon presser foot. For narrow seam allowances such as the 1/8 “ allowance on most glove patterns, you will need a less flexible material underneath the PVC to prevent it from stretching down through the hole in your machine’s throat plate. Lay 3-inch-wide strips of tear-away stabilizer underneath the PVC as you sew, centered under the seamline. Since there is no stabilizer on top, you’ll be able to see where you are stitching. When finished, tear away stabilizer very gently, one layer at a time, so as not to stretch the seam. This technique is especially useful for 4-way stretch PVC, which has a tendency to curl at the edges.
For both techniques, grip PVC both in front of and behind the presser foot and pull it taught while guiding it over your feed dogs. Directional stitching is highly recommended for stretchy fabrics, because it prevents an uneven hang at collars, sleeves, and skirt hems. To sew directionally, begin to sew the seam at the widest part of the pattern piece and work toward the narrow end, sewing with the grain. (Staystitching, if required, should be done the same way.) For 2-way stretch, sew a medium-length straight stitch. Contrarily, 4-way stretch requires a narrow zigzag stitch on the seamline, followed by a wide zigzag alongside the first, one 1/8” inside the seam allowance, to maintain the fabric’s give along seams. For seam treatments involving topstitching, stitch the seam with the fabric held taught, open seam allowances with fingers and/or trim allowance, then topstitch with a straight stitch, stretching fabric as you sew to avoid puckering and thread breakage.
Finishing
Patent Vinyl Cloth does not ravel along cut edges, so it is not necessary to zigzag, overcast, or overlock the raw edge. However, should you choose to serge the raw edges for appearance’s sake, use a 3-thread overlock stitch with size 11 universal needles and stretch the fabric slightly as you serge. You will need to adjust the differential feed dials on your machine to prevent fabric expansion. Consult your overlock machine operator’s manual for the proper settings, and test the stitch on scraps of leftover PVC, making adjustments as necessary.
Many designers choose not to line their vinyl-wear. However, if the color of the knit backing will show and does not please you, use a stretch lining or widen the facings on the pattern.
Hemming on any stretch knit should be done after the article has hung for 24 hours on a hanger, to ensure an even hem.
Understitching is especially important in fabrics that cannot be pressed. Use this technique to keep your facings from rolling to the outside of your apparel or home décor creations. To understitch, open out the facing and finger press the seam allowance toward it. Sew a medium length straight stitch through the facing close to the seamline, catching the seam allowance.
Topstitching not only adds intrigue to a PVC creation, but also flattens the seam allowances in lieu of a hot iron. One common complaint from PVC sewers is that topstitching thread can appear dull on shiny PVC. To overcome this dilemma, try topstitching in a matching shade of rayon thread like those designed for machine embroidery. This thread is shiny enough to compliment the vinyl surface and its loosely twisted construction allows for give. (Note: Rayon thread is not sturdy enough for seam construction and should be used for decorative finishes only.)
Edgestitching is a form of topstitching sewn very close to the seam, drawing less attention to the stitches. Edgestitching has a more pleasing appearance on less casual garments.
Consider these seam finishes for strength and a designer look: flat-felled, topstitched, double topstitched, welted, double welted, slotted, lapped, or tucked. Instructions on how to create these finishes can be found in most sewing guidebooks.
TLC for your PVC
Garments constructed of Patent Vinyl Cloth should be hand washed, or machine washed in the gentle cycle, with cold water and a mild non-bleach detergent such as Woolite. Short garments may be hung to dry, while heavier outfits are best dried flat to prevent stress to the shoulder and waist seams. Curtains, sofa covers, and other home décor may be sponged-wiped with a soft sponge soaked in cold water. Accessories are best sponged off in cold, with a light addition of detergent if the article has contacted something sticky. Rinse the sponge well with cold water and re-wipe to remove soapy residue. Keep sharp and abrasive objects away from your creations, to avoid damage to the smooth shiny surface. Finally, the best TLC you can give to your PVC creations is to show them off!
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Professional designers recommend allowing stretchy fabrics to settle on your cutting surface for 24 hours before tracing and cutting. Hold pattern pieces in place with fabric weights, and trace lines with tailor’s chalk or disappearing ink fabric marking pens. Water-soluble fabric marking pens may be used if the instructions say it can be washed out in cold water. Never use a tracing wheel, tailor tacks, or thread tracing, as these methods will leave puncture marks in the finished article. Cut fabric with sharp scissors, stopping occasionally to allow fabric to settle back into place. Pinning
Pinholes are permanent in vinyls and all leather-like fabrics. For best results on seams, use double-faced basting tape instead. Apply tape within the seam allowance, at the cut edge of fabric. Basting tape sticks easily to PVC with the lightest touch and keeps the fabric from curling or stretching as you sew. It can be removed cleanly by peeling, or simply cut away after stitching when the seam allowance is graded. If you must pin, use extra-fine dressmaker pins well within the seam allowance, and always use a thimble. Although PVC is a medium-weight fabric, pushing pins through the fine knit and vinyl coating requires a firm steady push. Choosing appropriate needles and thread
Although PVC is backed in a knit, you should not use a ball point needle, because it will tear ugly holes in the Polyurethane. Instead, use a sharp size 11 in your machine for seam construction and topstitching. Use a “leather” needle to baste in zippers. Leather needles are heavyweight needles designed with a razor tip to cut through leather and leather-like fabrics that resist normal needle piercing. This makes them a terrific choice for machine sewing through both PVC and zipper tape in a single line of stitching. The special groove down the front of the needle protects the thread against breakage due to from friction as the needle slips into the thick fabric layers. If you will hand sew, then use a # 7, 8, or 9 Sharp needle. Again, use a thimble to push pins into PVC.
Because PVC stretches, the thread it is sewn with must stretch also. Polyester has the best give when twisted into thread. 100% Polyester thread is recommended for normal seam construction, but all-purpose thread that contains at least 60% polyester will suffice and is often easier to find in stores. Do not use all-cotton thread. It is a common misconception that since cotton thread is stronger it will support stretchy knits. Cotton thread is “strong” because it does NOT stretch, and, in fact, may shrink when washed to leave puckered seams in non-cotton fabrics.
PVC’s rubbery texture tends to stick to metal throat plates and presser feet, making it difficult to guide the fabric through your sewing machine—that is, unless you utilize the techniques provided below.
Technique #1: Apply water-soluble stabilizer before stitching. Machine embroiderers will be familiar with this handy sewing aid. Usually sold in packages in the notions department, water-soluble stabilizer comes in both sheets and rolls, and has the feel of a featherweight interfacing. The package instructions will direct you to apply the stabilizer with a hot dry iron, but obviously this is inappropriate for PVC. Instead, wipe the vinyl side of the fabric with a damp (not wet!) sponge and press 3-inch-wide strips of stabilizer to the seamline with your fingers. Allow to air-dry completely before sewing. The result will be a lightly-tacked interfacing surface, which will glide smoothly over your machine’s metal parts. When stitching is complete, wipe stabilizer off with a sponge soaked in cold water—or simply throw your finished product in a cold water wash and hang to dry. This technique is preferable for sewing that requires a piping/cording foot, since piping feet are rarely made in Teflon.
Technique #2: Lay PVC atop tear-away stabilizer and stitch with a Teflon presser foot. For narrow seam allowances such as the 1/8 “ allowance on most glove patterns, you will need a less flexible material underneath the PVC to prevent it from stretching down through the hole in your machine’s throat plate. Lay 3-inch-wide strips of tear-away stabilizer underneath the PVC as you sew, centered under the seamline. Since there is no stabilizer on top, you’ll be able to see where you are stitching. When finished, tear away stabilizer very gently, one layer at a time, so as not to stretch the seam. This technique is especially useful for 4-way stretch PVC, which has a tendency to curl at the edges.
For both techniques, grip PVC both in front of and behind the presser foot and pull it taught while guiding it over your feed dogs. Directional stitching is highly recommended for stretchy fabrics, because it prevents an uneven hang at collars, sleeves, and skirt hems. To sew directionally, begin to sew the seam at the widest part of the pattern piece and work toward the narrow end, sewing with the grain. (Staystitching, if required, should be done the same way.) For 2-way stretch, sew a medium-length straight stitch. Contrarily, 4-way stretch requires a narrow zigzag stitch on the seamline, followed by a wide zigzag alongside the first, one 1/8” inside the seam allowance, to maintain the fabric’s give along seams. For seam treatments involving topstitching, stitch the seam with the fabric held taught, open seam allowances with fingers and/or trim allowance, then topstitch with a straight stitch, stretching fabric as you sew to avoid puckering and thread breakage.
Finishing
Patent Vinyl Cloth does not ravel along cut edges, so it is not necessary to zigzag, overcast, or overlock the raw edge. However, should you choose to serge the raw edges for appearance’s sake, use a 3-thread overlock stitch with size 11 universal needles and stretch the fabric slightly as you serge. You will need to adjust the differential feed dials on your machine to prevent fabric expansion. Consult your overlock machine operator’s manual for the proper settings, and test the stitch on scraps of leftover PVC, making adjustments as necessary.
Many designers choose not to line their vinyl-wear. However, if the color of the knit backing will show and does not please you, use a stretch lining or widen the facings on the pattern.
Hemming on any stretch knit should be done after the article has hung for 24 hours on a hanger, to ensure an even hem.
Understitching is especially important in fabrics that cannot be pressed. Use this technique to keep your facings from rolling to the outside of your apparel or home décor creations. To understitch, open out the facing and finger press the seam allowance toward it. Sew a medium length straight stitch through the facing close to the seamline, catching the seam allowance.
Topstitching not only adds intrigue to a PVC creation, but also flattens the seam allowances in lieu of a hot iron. One common complaint from PVC sewers is that topstitching thread can appear dull on shiny PVC. To overcome this dilemma, try topstitching in a matching shade of rayon thread like those designed for machine embroidery. This thread is shiny enough to compliment the vinyl surface and its loosely twisted construction allows for give. (Note: Rayon thread is not sturdy enough for seam construction and should be used for decorative finishes only.)
Edgestitching is a form of topstitching sewn very close to the seam, drawing less attention to the stitches. Edgestitching has a more pleasing appearance on less casual garments.
Consider these seam finishes for strength and a designer look: flat-felled, topstitched, double topstitched, welted, double welted, slotted, lapped, or tucked. Instructions on how to create these finishes can be found in most sewing guidebooks.
TLC for your PVC
Garments constructed of Patent Vinyl Cloth should be hand washed, or machine washed in the gentle cycle, with cold water and a mild non-bleach detergent such as Woolite. Short garments may be hung to dry, while heavier outfits are best dried flat to prevent stress to the shoulder and waist seams. Curtains, sofa covers, and other home décor may be sponged-wiped with a soft sponge soaked in cold water. Accessories are best sponged off in cold, with a light addition of detergent if the article has contacted something sticky. Rinse the sponge well with cold water and re-wipe to remove soapy residue. Keep sharp and abrasive objects away from your creations, to avoid damage to the smooth shiny surface. Finally, the best TLC you can give to your PVC creations is to show them off!
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Re: cucire il PVC/ecopelle
Buongiorno a tutte, scusate l'intrusione ma....si può attaccare la fiselina all'ecopelle per renderla più rigida e stabile?
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Direi no perché l'ecopelle non sopporta il calore sufficiente ad attaccare una fliselina.
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Sono dietro a farmi un portafoglio personalizzato e avevo uno scampolo di ecopelle avanzatomi da un lavoro.
Ho fatto una prova di cucitura ma nonostante lo scotch di carta su 3 dei 4 lati da cucire, l'ecopelle si muoveva di continuo, così oggi ho attaccato la fiselina....ti ho letto troppo tardi! Va be, al massimo butto via tutto.
Domani inizio il lavoro e ti farò sapere che avrò combinato!
Ho fatto una prova di cucitura ma nonostante lo scotch di carta su 3 dei 4 lati da cucire, l'ecopelle si muoveva di continuo, così oggi ho attaccato la fiselina....ti ho letto troppo tardi! Va be, al massimo butto via tutto.
Domani inizio il lavoro e ti farò sapere che avrò combinato!
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Sono riuscita ad attaccare la fiselina al dietro dell'ecopelle, durante la cucitura il tessuto sta fermo e mi permette di lavorare senza grandi intoppi, l'unico problema che sto riscontrando (NATURALMENTE) è che con la macchina da cucire gritzner non riesco a cucire i diversi strati di pelle insieme e mi tocca farlo a mano con ago, filo, due tavolette di legno ed una pressa per tenermi fermi gli strati di tessuto.
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